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    09/14/2010

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    Big A

    In fairness, just because a given element is commented on doesn't mean it's the only point or message that hit home, just that it's the only one the given commenter thinks they can contribute to.

    If you'll recall, when I read your final Left Behind post of the character who murdered an evangelist who came to his door and then committed suicide (apologies to other readers if that's a spoiler, but seriously, it's been up for like at least 2 years now), my first reaction was to give you shit for having the character own a Springfield XD (as I have, since, become quite partial to Glocks and Walthers). I did that because, hey, I'm a gun nut and it's all I really had to say. What I didn't say, or even couldn't say, was how much that story stuck with me for days, months, even years afterward as an ultra-drastic insight into what can happen when self-pity runs amok in a world with no God (or other external agent) to act as a safety net.

    Sometimes a message can be delivered decisively and powerfully enough that no further discussion is warranted, and I've read many of your entries that were just that, and all that was left to be discussed was the periphery.

    jessa

    A lot of what you are saying here gets to what I mean when I say that in order to really live the way a lot of Christians think they should live, you have to be mentally ill. And I was mentally ill, so I did live that way, and got put on some holiness pedestal when what I really needed were some good psychotropic drugs. All that "I'm desperate for you," "Jesus is my only hope for happiness" stuff, I totally meant it and felt it. And I was also toeing the edge of psychosis. There is that whole "I believe that I am worthless without Jesus even though I don't feel that way, so I will proclaim 'I am worthless' and call it authenticity." That isn't authenticity; that is called "lying". But it was obvious that I really did feel worthless, therefore I must be holy. I think they saw me as a sort of Teresa of Avila: doing pretty well at being good, but lamenting my depravity. It was all so twisted.

    Rhino of Steel

    Not that I want to focus on the wrong part here but, holy balls, accountability partners was a real thing that you did? I don't think I'm allowed to complain about my Catholic upbringing anymore. Sure, their rules were stupid and arbitrary but at least they didn't try the worst possible ideas ever to enforce them.

    Geds

    Not that I want to focus on the wrong part here

    That was really meant more as an observation than a genuine attempt to bring about change...

    accountability partners was a real thing that you did?

    Yes. Yes it was. It's actually probably far, far more excruciatingly awkward than you think, too. The whole idea is generally sprung by someone else as part of the small group structure and you're supposed to pair up with someone. There's a non-zero possibility you'll be paired up with someone you don't know very well or don't really like very much (because, see, you've got to pretend you like people. I went to church with people I absolutely despised but I couldn't actually say it out loud and they thought I was friends with them. Awkward to the max, that is). Even when you do get paired up with someone you're actually friends with and not worried about sharing stuff with, you're then basically supposed to sit down with this person once a week and discuss how many times you masturbated and whatnot. But you're having these conversations in euphemism and Christianese, which is basically a language invented to allow Evangelical Christians to lie to each other while sounding holy.

    Weirdly, my most successful accountability partnership was with the same guy I still jokingly do the routine with now. We mostly discussed how stupid and off the mark the whole thing was and made extremely not funny jokes at the expense of this one girl we knew who seemed to be horny 24/7 but wasn't allowed to admit it because, y'know, she was a Christian and shit.

    In retrospect, it's not surprising that neither one of us is willing to darken the doors of a church these days...

    Michael Mock

    I'd just like to second what Big A said about the... um... plasticity of topics in the comments. I generally try not to leave comments that don't add something, however small, to to the conversation. Add to that, I don't generally read your posts and think, "Well, yes, but he left out X consideration" or "I think you're completely off-base here, and this is why." As a result, a lot of my comments are going to be tangents.

    I'm assuming that all the accountability partners were same-sex pairs? (I mean, duh... right?) 'Cause the only thing I can think of that would be more awkward than having to discuss my sexual thoughts (as a teen, with a relative stranger) would be having to discuss them with a girl. But how that does work if you have an odd number of people in your group?

    jessa

    Yes! Pretending to like people we don't! I do remember some people at church who I didn't like and suspected others didn't like, but no one mentioned it. I don't understand how it is better Christian love to lie about it rather than tell the truth. It isn't just in church, either. It happens in my family. It happens in group therapy. Someone says they are fat/ugly/unliked and everyone jumps to say, "No! You are so thin/pretty/likable."

    I once wanted to write a letter to someone who thought I was his friend to the effect of, "Hey, so I know you think we are friends and you want to hang out with me and stuff, but I'm not interested in that. I am not your friend." I ran it by a couple friends because my social skills aren't great. They told me I couldn't do that; they said it bordered on being hate mail. I don't understand!

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