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    Firedrake

    My response to that piece, first posted elsewhere:

    Starting by characterising any man without a job as a "deadbeat" tells me that this is written by someone so culturally American that it's not likely to have any relevance anywhere else. Still, there are some interesting ideas here.

    The author misses the importance of housing costs (many men in their twenties aren't able to afford half of a house close enough to where the work is; they're living in flats shared with two or three other people). Maybe that doesn't apply in the USA. And what matters, I think, is not so much that the people now putting off marriage think that marriage is becoming obsolete but that their parents do, so they're no longer thrown out of the family home for Living In Sin.

    If having an oversupply of men leads things to be skewed to men's advantage, and having an oversupply of women leads things to be skewed to men's advantage, maybe the sex ratio isn't what's leading to the skewing.

    If the female coalition is practicable, why hasn't it happened among the black women who are painted quite specifically as having been suffering from a "shortage of reliable males" for several decades?

    I think the real villain in all this is popular culture, specifically the depictions of all men as constantly wanting sex and all women as constantly withholding sex (or grudgingly dispensing it in return for some other consideration).

    jessa

    My student loan servicing company also seems to think people like me don't exist. They don't seem to have a policy for applying direct debit payments for people who are paid ahead past a certain point, after which they go into random mode for applying the payments. I called to ask, since the agreement said nothing of this random application, and they had no answers, they didn't know what the computer would do because I was so paid ahead. It's weird.

    I've long thought the idea of "The One" was silly. There are probably many possible versions of our lives in which we would be happy with many different significant others or alone. There are probably also many possible versions where we are miserable with the same person that we are happy with right now (or happy with in other possible versions, but that gets complicated to say).

    I also think the supposed lack of eligible bachelors is similar to the supposed lack of suitable job candidates. Like you say, we are expecting people to be too perfect. In jobs, people expect not to have to train, which no one used to expect. With men, perhaps after "finding themselves" some women are overestimating their own perfection and expecting the men they date to be as perfect as they perceive themselves to be? Or in "finding themselves" they forgot to learn that real-life love doesn't look like storybook/fantasy love, where things aren't as lovely and perfect? Because they were busy with introspection rather than dating and learning that lesson by experience? I don't know, I'm not one of those women.

    And do you mean, "I’m not part of the 99% by any stretch of the imagination, but I’m in pretty damn good shape"? Or do you want an extra "not" in there? Or no "not"s?

    GailVortex

    Hey, I just read Murder of the Century too. I just read the sample (because in fact it was featured in the Unbound blog), and liked that enough to purchase it.

    Geds

    Firedrake: housing costs in the US are somewhat fungible. But if you're in a major metropolitan area and want to live in a place that doesn't suck it can get extremely expensive. And then there's the issue of decent public transportation, or the lack thereof, outside of New York, Chicago, Washington DC, Boston, San Francisco, and a few other places. Basically, you either need to live in an expensive place, find out how to live close to everywhere you need to be, or be able to afford a car.

    Also, this: "If having an oversupply of men leads things to be skewed to men's advantage, and having an oversupply of women leads things to be skewed to men's advantage, maybe the sex ratio isn't what's leading to the skewing."

    Extremely true. I couldn't figure out how to parse that part of the article and I was going long, anyway. But it's pretty obvious to me that if you're running an experiment with one variable and the outcome is the same no matter how you move the variable around, you might want to consider alternative variables.

    jessa:

    With men, perhaps after "finding themselves" some women are overestimating their own perfection and expecting the men they date to be as perfect as they perceive themselves to be? Or in "finding themselves" they forgot to learn that real-life love doesn't look like storybook/fantasy love, where things aren't as lovely and perfect? Because they were busy with introspection rather than dating and learning that lesson by experience? I don't know, I'm not one of those women.

    I'm actually about a third of the way through a follow-up post that will go tomorrow. This is actually a large part of the thought process I'm trying to work through.

    Also, thanks for the edit.

    Michael Mock

    ::sigh:: Geds, I'm disappointed. I would think that you, as an atheist and ex-Christian, would be thoroughly comfortable with your own non-existence by now.

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